Intel and Karma partner to develop software-defined car architecture
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Here it is, 2024, and corporate tools still spew words like this with zero sense of self-awareness. In a better society we would treat them like they have some sort of learning disability, being unable to compose normal sentences despite what I assume to be a very expensive education.
Go back to your climate-controlled office, Jack Weast, collect your VP-level paycheck, and don't ever wander anywhere near a microphone again.
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They've been trying to switch to master/slave design using ethernet cords for a while but the J1979 standard hampers that a lot and would require it to be rewritten to account for it. Automotive doesn't move quickly and refuses to do so because they're super concerned about warranty.
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"Software-defined data center" was one of the big things Gelsinger pushed at VMware. And that's fine, that made sense and a complete virtualization solution was VMware's bread and butter.
This sounds like he realllly likes that term and it's getting misused because Gelsinger is and always has been a fail up moron. All of his success is due to people that worked under him, that never made the money he did, who would have delivered equally good things had they worked for someone else.
He's a great example of a CEO that could be replaced by AI.
This sounds like he realllly likes that term and it's getting misused because Gelsinger is and always has been a fail up moron. All of his success is due to people that worked under him, that never made the money he did, who would have delivered equally good things had they worked for someone else.
He's a great example of a CEO that could be replaced by AI.
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1000hp available. $300K probably gets you a base model with 250hp. Then for just $29.95 a month you can unlock the rest of the functionality! Yay, progress! ![:\](png/slash-1x.png "Slash :\")
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This article completely misses out on CANBUS. Most of the boxes in today's cars are already networked. This is just another step in making vehicles difficult or impossible to repair, and far more difficult to use salvage yard or second hand parts.
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A buggy lemon?
I kid, I kid... but it wouldn't surprise me if the first dozen plus versions are less than optimal, shall we say to be kind.
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Nah. The snake oil guys were much better. Fewer multisyllable garbage words. Careful thoughts as to verbal cadence. Better suits. And a drum.
Besides you actually got a product.
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After the warranty expires, you're on your own. These things will be abandoned and unserviceable.
If people think e-waste is a problem now, just wait until millions of tons of dead vehicles look for a disposal ground when the servers and/or companies shut down and the encryption-protected black-box controllers shut out all attempts of repair.
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Why can we not put innovative efforts into V2V or V2C2V architectures. It could take a long time to be widespread on the road, but it will never come to be without starting the development and deployment. Cars could communicate to other cars that there are obstructions, potholes, or emergency vehicles in the path. They could inform other cars around that they are/will be making a lane change, turn, braking, or emergency braking maneuver. I wish we'd get the lead out and work towards a standard that all OEMs could work to
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I mean parts being registered on the system is already done with can bus. ECUs for vehicles with immobilizers started being tied to the vehicle starting in the early 2000s.
When it comes down to it vehicles have more processing than ever and the threat landscape is very different than what it was in the early 2000s. It would negligent for a company to not enforce authentication of software and hardware in a vehicle system, otherwise they open themselves to supply chain attacks.
Now that does make repair more difficult, but the solution isn't stop progress. The solution is proper right to repair laws requiring open standards and releasing of keys when the system is no longer going to be supported by the manufacturer.
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He genuinely, and I'm not even joking, his speech sounds AI generated for real.
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Could you imagine being told someone hacked your car through the tail light in 2000?
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The point of "SDV" (which here actually means "domain controllers") is not to network components that were previously not networked, it's to reduce the number of physical components that are needed so they don't have to be networked.
Aside from getting applications on the same ECU so you don't need the wires at all, moving from CAN to Ethernet is also a huge step up. I spend basically all day every weekday working on CAN bus, and it's a 40-year-old standard with awful bandwidth and no authentication built in. You can add it on top in the application layer, but then it eats quite a lot of your precious little bandwidth so OEMs only do it when they feel they have no other choice, which leads to the current proliferation of CAN injection attacks. Just upgrading the wires of existing boxes to Ethernet and using off-the-shelf authentication libraries immediately prevents someone from stealing your car through the headlights.
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I would wait for the blockchain enabled AI demand driven customer responsive software defined architecture. Only then will we be at the promised land.
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I read this article and I immediately start cringing at the thought that a SaaS future is inevitable for cars (Cars as a Service?) where you have to pay a monthly subscription to unlock anything not safety related.
I’m sure someone reading this comment can already start thinking of how to split out car functionality components into safety and non-safety columns. Everything on the safety side you pay once for when you buy the car; everything non-safety related you pay a (supposedly discounted price for initially and then) monthly subscription to keep operating. Things like heat, A/C, radio, et al.
Yes, I foresee this quite clearly. And I pray I am wrong.
I’m sure someone reading this comment can already start thinking of how to split out car functionality components into safety and non-safety columns. Everything on the safety side you pay once for when you buy the car; everything non-safety related you pay a (supposedly discounted price for initially and then) monthly subscription to keep operating. Things like heat, A/C, radio, et al.
Yes, I foresee this quite clearly. And I pray I am wrong.
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I work for an automotive company and well... both companies are late.
These days there's only two sorts of car companies - those that run Android, and those that do in-house dev, the latter turning more and more to AAOS, given its robust feature set and heavy customizability. To be anything remotely useful, these companies would need to make a miracle happen.
Instead, I imagine they'll Zune this for a while, then quietly fold.
(Edit: not sure how I misread "Karma" as "Microsoft" earlier)
These days there's only two sorts of car companies - those that run Android, and those that do in-house dev, the latter turning more and more to AAOS, given its robust feature set and heavy customizability. To be anything remotely useful, these companies would need to make a miracle happen.
Instead, I imagine they'll Zune this for a while, then quietly fold.
(Edit: not sure how I misread "Karma" as "Microsoft" earlier)
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Society needs an open source vehicle platform.1000hp available. $300K probably gets you a base model with 250hp. Then for just $29.95 a month you can unlock the rest of the functionality! Yay, progress!
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For some definition of the word "progress".
Have you ever met a corporate executive or republican legislator? People are currently waging self-repair battles with printers and coffee machines. What makes you think any of this will ever happen with a five- or six-figure$ automobile?
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This reeks of a situation where someone takes all the domain knowledge and good software from those black boxes, and chucks it out the window in favor of a big ass single point of failure that does nothing well....
I don't know what Intel has anything to do with here. Car's aren't desperate for state of the art custom processors or such knowledge ...
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Tesla announced moving to 48V over Ethernet over a year ago, already implemented in Cybertruck. But they aren't an automotive company, anymore, so, point still stands.
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"What, do they take a hacksaw to the power locks or something?"
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Yes, but the truck is still important because they're a logistics company now that moves GPUs around....
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There are far more worthwhile things to get this angry about than B2B marketing pablum. Sometimes the situation calls for empty statements of carefully chosen nice words that give whoever is investing millions of dollars and man-hours in your project the warm fuzzies about your dedication. You are not the consumer. Let it go.
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CAN was never designed to be connected to the internet and it's a good thing it's being superseded by something modern and secure.
CAN also doesn't have anything like the bandwidth necessary for all the displays and sensors going into new cars, either.
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Tell that to Nvidia and AMD. The entire self-driving car industry is basically a scam to get VC money to pay for more GPUs and CPUs.
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I don't think that makes sense at all ...'
I get the self driving car reference, but not the last half of the statement. I think the possibility of self driving cars is in fact a legit product and thus its demand for chips is legit.
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"Abandoned and unserviceable" is happening sooner than the end of the warranty these days. The days of replacement parts traditionally (there's no actual law...) being available even for 10 years are long gone. Parts availability (especially for major EV parts like batteries) almost certainly will not outlast the warranty. Most modern cars, if something warranty-related goes wrong near the end of the warranty, will be pushed off until the warranty ends (perhaps with a lawsuit by a savvy owner or 2 to pay off) and the car then becomes scrap. In some cases, that might even happen pre-warranty-expiration if no parts are available - the remedy would be to just buy the car back for a depreciated price or give a large trade-in credit for another vehicle from the same carmaker.
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ISTR Jerry Pournelle years ago mouthing the maxim of "one user, at least one CPU" when talking about a networked office. Networked car same point, and they've been that way for a while. So what seems to be happening now is a version of a "local cloud" aka timesharing fewer CPUs. Sort of doesn't make sense with embedded CPUs approaching the size and cost of the sand used to make them.
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How do you not see the upside of self-driving as an advancement to humankind? Put aside your views on the companies who seem closest to achieving it for a moment... When it reaches maturity, it will be saving lives, allowing the elderly, sick, and blind navigation options when they previously needed others, reducing costs of transport.. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.
Think of it this way... if self-driving cars existed... would we ever want to go back to a world where they didn't? Absolutely not.
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Agreed, it's a strange shift for some things that are very important.
Command: "Apply emergency breaking."
Cloud: "Please wait, adjusting stereo volume ... serializing analytics ... reconnecting to cellular network ..."
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It's worth having a read of this interview with Rivian CEO which is in part about some if this and their deal with VW
www.theverge.com
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe thinks the EV industry needs to stop copying the Tesla Model Y
Rivian’s founder discusses the R2 and R3 roadmap and the big deal with Volkswagen.
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